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Whom Do You Friend?

Recently, Newsweek had an interesting article on one of the new quandries of social networking: just who do you let in your social networking. That article was driven by an AP story I read, which noted “Increasingly, however, [Scott Siegal, age 18] and other young people are feeling uncomfortable about their elders encroaching on what many young adults and teens consider their technological turf.” The article also noted that “Nowhere are the technological turf wars more apparent than on social networking sites, such as MySpace and Facebook, which went from being student-oriented to allowing adults outside the college ranks to join.” I do strongly recommend folks to read the article.

I was reminded of this today when one of my daughter’s friends, greenscar, friended me. Should I friend her back? After all, it would be sorta creepy (I think) at that age to have “a parent”-type reading your stuff; I certainly wouldn’t want to do that to her. I would also need to think about what I write, and would it be friendly for her (luckily, that’s actually not a problem for me, but I know would be a problem for many others).

But it raises an interesting, larger question: Is there just one social network? There might be things or thoughts I would express with “friends” that might be inappropriate for “cow orkers” (although I have some friends that are both). There may be things more appropriate for generational or generational±1 peers that would be inappropriate to express to LJ-friends who are my daughter’s age. There’s the other direction, which I don’t have to face: would I want friends of my parent’s generation reading what I write. Do we really need multiple types of friends lists, or is what we have here sufficient?

I’m lucky in some ways. I don’t write intimate sexual details (although I do have the occasional off-color remark). I don’t write salacious details about work, and I do try to friends-lock (with appropriately filters) anything that might be sensitive until it is no longer so. But I’m sure others have more of a problem, especially those who grew up with these networks as part of their lives from day 1, and are used to having their entire life online.

So, what’s your position on this issue. If you were one of the teens on LJ, would you be creeped out by a parenting friending you? If you are of parental age, would you think twice before friending a teen? Would you feel weird if your mother or grandmother friended you, even as an adult? What about a cow orker?

[And yes, this is a long-winded way of thanking greenscar for valuing what I write, and explaining why I may not be friending her back. It’s nothing personal.]



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satyrlovesong
Jan. 24th, 2008 07:42 pm (UTC)
I just have multiple accounts, and friend accordingly.
usqueba
Jan. 24th, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
I just have multiple accounts, and friend accordingly.
"Me, too!". I also use filters.
cahwyguy
Jan. 24th, 2008 09:04 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what multiple accounts would give you that using suitable filters wouldn't (other than a maintenance headache).
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cahwyguy
Jan. 24th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
I don't lock all my text posts, but certain things (such as roadgeek stuff, observations on the news, and reviews) are intended to be public. I'll lock anything truly family related.

As for coworkers, I generally don't have a problem, but that's partially because I view the generic "friends only" as "people I know", and if I want to discuss something work related, I'd use a no-coworker filter.
whalejudge
Jan. 24th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
If you're not sure on the idea, ask her if she minds if you friend her back.

And cow orkers are just dangerous. Do you know what an orker does to a cow?
ellipticcurve
Jan. 24th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't feel creeped out or anything, but I *would* make a non-parental filter.
terpsichoros
Jan. 24th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
My friends list includes a number of people about half my age, but these are people I know socially. I wonder if it helps that they are about as much older than my child as I am older than they are, so it's not a matter of being the parent of friends of theirs.

Any sexual details in my LJ are restricted to filters which are significantly tighter than my general f-list; and those haven't seen much use; I'm just not that interested in writing about that sort of stuff.

People in the dance scene I know moderately well, I'll add to my flist, and let them know; people I don't know as well who add me will probably get added back. (There are some exceptions - if I don't feel I know the person that well, or if I think that having them on my flist would cause me trouble.) I haven't had any bad reaction, but I suspect that's partly because almost all the people I've added, either have asked me first, or it's been discussed in person first.

usqueba
Jan. 24th, 2008 09:12 pm (UTC)
In the Yahoo article about technical turf wars, someone is quoted saying something like, "That's like a 40 year old going to a prom or frat party".

I disagree! Proms and frat parties have always been for young people. Just because it's more popular with teens/college kids, doesn't mean online journaling, etc is their sovereign territory. Facebook, MySpace, LJ, etc are too young to have become "just for X aged people" :P
zarchasmpgmr
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:00 pm (UTC)
Most of my friends on LJ are at least one generation younger than me, and some are definitely 2 (going with the 10 years/generation idea). But no one has been under the age of 20 at first friending (IIRC, lomaprieta was that age when we first friended--and she's very mature for her age), and if they feel comfortable friending me, knowing that I'm old enough to be their father.

I'd ask greenscar's parent(s) first, and I'd create an "mature" filter that doesn't include her. Also, I assume your settings are that you have to friend each other.

I've got friends from Sierra College on MySpace, and they're under 20. And they seem to have no issue (although, then again, I hardly, if ever, blog there).

I'm surprised this is a public post, though, so now greenscar knows you're wondering about this.
cahwyguy
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC)
Actually, it was public just for that reason: to let her know I want to friend her back, but feel too weird doing it (c'mon, I just turned 48... the only 13yo on my FL should be my daughter).
zarchasmpgmr
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
I figured that was about her age. And I understand the weirdness, too. This is a case where external appearances may be more important.

Personally, I wouldn't friend back, not at least for 5 years or HS graduation.



cahwyguy
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:44 pm (UTC)
Right now, I don't plan to (my daughter, of course, is a different case... she's on my FL because parents should monitor their children's internet activity). I was just wondering if others had been in similar situations, and what they thought about the question.
mortuus
Jan. 24th, 2008 10:54 pm (UTC)
For LJ, age isn't too much of a big deal to me. Most people on my f-list I added while wandering quite aimlessly, stumbling upon interesting LJs, and ages didn't factor in at all. I friended your daughter, and admittedly I took a few hours to think through whether or not that was too creepy (but obviously decided it leaned toward the non-creepy end of the spectrum). She's the youngest person, though I have several on my f-list who are young college age (I'm 35, so that's a pretty good age gap). My LJ (like my life) is fairly G or PG rated, so I'm not concerned about things being to "adult" or whatever.

For LJ my concerns are more know/don't know in the meat world. Since I vent a lot about work, I would never add anyone I know from work. I've taken pains for my LJ to remain unknown by family (immediate or extended) because I wouldn't feel as free to write if I knew they read it.

However, some things I'm willing to make more public in the meat world, so I have a non-LJ blog that I share with my family and link to on Facebook. It's nothing more than LJ posts that I don't mind sharing with family and a few friends. Filters on LJ would work just as well, but I just really want to keep LJ away from the meat world (though I've met in person a few people that I originally met on LJ).

On Facebook, my boundaries aren't yet as fully defined and probably still evolving. About 2/3 of the people I've added are relatives, including older aunts and uncles, and younger cousins still in high school. I've added a couple people from LJ, and the rest are mostly old friends I've found when searching.

The latest person I added on Facebook is quite related to what you posted about - the college-age son of a friend (he's a cool guy and older than a few others I have on Facebook and even LJ, but because it's his mom I'm friends with, it makes it a bit different). I stumbled across his Facebook profile and wanted to add him, but was concerned he'd find that too creepy. I know him and his mom from church, so last Sunday I just straight-out asked him if it would be too creepy to him if I added him or if it was okay. He scoffed at the idea of being creepy (and I know him well enough to know he meant it), so I added him and he added back.
fauxklore
Jan. 24th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
I handle this pretty much via self-censorship. I don't write about work other than generically, for example, and I don't name names very much. But I think that has more to do with my concern about violating other people's privacy. What I say about close relationships is not entirely my story to tell and it isn't fair to the other person involved.

Most of my LJ friends are people I've met in other contexts, though often other places on-line.
jumbach
Jan. 24th, 2008 11:29 pm (UTC)
My dad reads my journal. It personally doesn't bother me. In fact, because I post under my real name, I know a few people at work that lurk in my journal. Too bad they don't join--then they'd get the real juicy stuff. :-)

Of course, I have an aversion to posting about work. I think that's just good sense.
whalejudge
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:08 am (UTC)
Do you know why she flisted you in the first place? I find it odd that a teenager would flist one of her friend's parents. OTOH, I also remember that when nsshere first got her own lj account, you or her (I don't remember that detail) wanted her to have some friendly adults on her list, to (I think) provide advice from outside the parent/child dynamic. Could greenscar be doing something similar?
cahwyguy
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:10 am (UTC)
I'm guessing that she's just an astute young lady that recognizes fine writing when she sees it. :-)

[as for your second point, I'll go over and read her journal periodically; I'm just not going to friend her]
geah
Jan. 25th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
My out-of-town 15-year-old niece friended me on MySpace. She's 17 now and defriended me a few months ago.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder what she's up to?
otaku_tetsuko
Jan. 25th, 2008 11:12 am (UTC)
I joined LJ to keep up with Val and, at that time, to have a clue as to what she was thinking. She has since gone on to other forums and I have not followed, but LJ lets me tell people stuff all at once and I was commenting a lot as anonymous which annoyed one of my friends so I got an account. Now that I don't have access at work, I don't comment much.

But speaking of kids' perceptions of the technology - did you hear the story on that coast about the 17 year old who called the unlisted number of the school official who decides to close for snow or not? He apparently left a less than polite querey as to why the school didn't close for three inches of snow on the home machine. The wife called the kid back(he'd left name and number) and basically gave it to him for daring to bother her husband at home instead of calling the office like he should have, and how hard he works to make sure the kids are going to be safe, and how dare he invade their privacy, ending up by telling him to get his A##out of bed and get to school and get an education!

Well, he got mad and posted the tirade on the internet. When interviewed about it, he commented "My generation views privacy differently."

Thoughts?
cahwyguy
Jan. 25th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Well, their generation does view privacy differently (at witnessed by what is put up on Facebook or MySpace), but that's no excuse for his behavior. The kid was lacking in common sense and common courtesy.

Privacy concerns what you do with your information. The "kid" can choose to do what he wants with his personal information, for only he takes the risk.

However, what he did concerns someone else information. First, the official's number was unlisted. That means it is private, and wasn't meant to be used for school biz. Bzzz #1. Second, posting a private phone call is like posting private email: violates the rules of etiquitte unless done with permission of the originator. Bzzz #2.

Perhaps if this kid did what the wife suggested he might learn some common sense at school. But then again, they probably don't teach this.
cellio
Jan. 28th, 2008 04:40 am (UTC)
I use filters when posting stuff I want to restrict. Some things I don't talk about at all, but I wouldn't talk about them in person either so I don't think I behave differently online in that regard. (I'm just not very open about my sex life. I've got one; that's about all you need to know.) I tend not to use people's names unless it's important, they're public figures, I know they don't mind, or I know they want credit. :-) (For example, though you could research it without too much trouble, I don't name my rabbi in my posts. He's "my rabbi". A Google search on his name will not lead you to my journal. Ditto most of my family members; while I do name my husband, it's his first name only and we don't share a last name. You have to actually know something about me to make use of that, and if you know something about me I probably don't mind.)

I haven't yet encountered a teenager with whom I have enough in common to want to follow a journal. If I did, I don't think I'd feel too weird about adding that person. You've got to be closer than "random casual acquaintance" to get onto most of the filters anyway.

I expect that my reading list represents a broad age range. But "my age +/- 20 years" still doesn't get you down into the teens.
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